Isaiah Thomas

[Pinoy Sakuragi]

Did you know that they are only 6 players who averages 20 points and 6 assists last season? They are Westbrook, LBJ, Harden, Curry, Irving and the 5'9 Isaiah Thomas! For that information only, you can already say that he deserves an increase from 80.

If you are still not persuaded that he deserves an increase, let me compare him to 
John Wall - 84
Damian Lillard - 82
Kyrie Irving - 85
 
(Pts, Rebs, Asts, Stl,  Blk, TO, PF,    FG%,  3FG%)
Isaiah Thomas
 20.3   2.9    6.3   1.3  0.1  3.0 2.6    45%     35%
John Wall
19.3    4.1    8.8   1.8  0.5  3.6 2.7    43%     35%
Kyrie Irving
20.8    3.6    6.1   1.5  0.3  2.7 2.3    43%     36%
Damian Lillard 
20.7    3.5    5.6   0.8 0.3   2.4 2.4    42%     39%

Here is the ranking of Thomas in some of those stats.
Pts - 3rd
Rebs - 4th
Asts - 2nd
T.O. - 3rd
FG% - 1st
3FG% - last

this numbers does not make Thomas standout from the four of them but those numbers prove that he is on the level of comparison for the other three. 


Advance Stats
(PER, TS%, Asts%, TRB%, TOV%, WS)
Isaiah Thomas
20.5   57.4% 32.3%   4.7%  14.3%    7.7
John Wall
19.5   52.4% 40.5%   6.5%  16.3%    7.9
Kyrie Irving
20.1  53.3%  31.6%   5.8%   12.1%   6.7
Damian Lillard
18.6  56.8%  25.1%   5.3%  11.5%   7.7

Ranking of Thomas 
PER - 1st
TS% - 1st
Asts% - 2nd
TRB% - 4th
TOV% - 3rd
WS - 2nd

By using the advance stats, it is quite obvious now that he should be at least at the level of this 3.

add to that is this info that I copied from CLICK

The diminutive point guard isn't an average stopper, thanks primarily to his height, but he's such a hard-working player on the less glamorous end of the court that he's managed to avoid becoming a complete liability. According to 82games.com, he held opposing 1s to a player efficiency rating of 14.5 in 2013-14, and Basketball-Reference.com reveals that the Sacramento Kings actually allowed 3.9 fewer points per 100 possessions when he was on the floor.



With thous information above, I do believe Thomas should be much higher than 80.

So I vote for 83!

[John Stockton]

I like Thomas actually but it's easy to have 6 assists when you have Demarcus cousins on your team. Also, there is no way he's on the kyrie Lilard wall level. I'm not saying he's not worth a little increase like one point but if he goes to 81-82 then raise wall Lilard kyrie. I vote 81

[Charles Barkley]

The problem with this is that Lillard and Wall are rated too low. I think Thomas is fine at an 80

[Tom Izzo]

Thomas at an 80 is good for me. He certainly isn't better than Lillard.

[Brian Scalabrine]

80

[Brian Scalabrine]

80

[Pinoy Sakuragi]

Sept 25, 2014 11:50:04 GMT -5 Tom Izzo said:

Thomas at an 80 is good for me. He certainly isn't better than Lillard.

How come Lillard did not manage to reach 20+ PER and 20 pts and 6 asts averages if he is better than Thomas? 

[James Kay]

Sept 25, 2014 19:07:10 GMT -5 Pinoy Sakuragi said:

Sept 25, 2014 11:50:04 GMT -5 Tom Izzo said:

Thomas at an 80 is good for me. He certainly isn't better than Lillard.

How come Lillard did not manage to reach 20+ PER and 20 pts and 6 asts averages if he is better than Thomas? 

Well Im not really sure. But Lillards team does win a TON more so I don't really know how to explain that. Their supporting casts arent that far apart. Aldridge - Cousins, Batum - Gay, I guess RoLo and Matthews are pretty substantial upgrades over the SAC cast though.

Anyway, I'll vote 82 for him.

[Coach Hines]

Sept 25, 2014 19:07:10 GMT -5 Pinoy Sakuragi said:

Sept 25, 2014 11:50:04 GMT -5 Tom Izzo said:

Thomas at an 80 is good for me. He certainly isn't better than Lillard.

How come Lillard did not manage to reach 20+ PER and 20 pts and 6 asts averages if he is better than Thomas? 

lillard is a much better player than thomas at the moment. starts from the top from the coaching staff all the way down to the bench warmers. aldridge is in his prime, batum is getting there and lopez has hit his own stride as well. too much talent in portland for him to average those kind of numbers right now. there is no argument legitimate argument when comparing lillard and thomas IMO. 

i think he is fine at an 80 because numbers can tell white lies. 

[Pinoy Sakuragi]

Sept 25, 2014 20:18:08 GMT -5 Coach Hines said:

Sept 25, 2014 19:07:10 GMT -5 Pinoy Sakuragi said:

How come Lillard did not manage to reach 20+ PER and 20 pts and 6 asts averages if he is better than Thomas? 

lillard is a much better player than thomas at the moment. starts from the top from the coaching staff all the way down to the bench warmers. aldridge is in his prime, batum is getting there and lopez has hit his own stride as well. too much talent in portland for him to average those kind of numbers right now. there is no argument legitimate argument when comparing lillard and thomas IMO. 

i think he is fine at an 80 because numbers can tell white lies. 

Lillard shot 15.9 attempts, Thomas has 15.2.. Lillard played 35.8 mins, Thomas played 34.7 minutes..

Lillard is shooting more and he is playing more than Thomas... and you even said, and I agree, that Lillard has a better players around him so why does Thomas have better numbers than him? 

The numbers will still be the most legitimate comparison.. so I believe he is better than Lillard.

[Tom Izzo]

Sept 25, 2014 20:37:35 GMT -5 Pinoy Sakuragi said:

Sept 25, 2014 20:18:08 GMT -5 Coach Hines said:

lillard is a much better player than thomas at the moment. starts from the top from the coaching staff all the way down to the bench warmers. aldridge is in his prime, batum is getting there and lopez has hit his own stride as well. too much talent in portland for him to average those kind of numbers right now. there is no argument legitimate argument when comparing lillard and thomas IMO. 

i think he is fine at an 80 because numbers can tell white lies. 

Lillard shot 15.9 attempts, Thomas has 15.2.. Lillard played 35.8 mins, Thomas played 34.7 minutes..

Lillard is shooting more and he is playing more than Thomas... and you even said, and I agree, that Lillard has a better players around him so why does Thomas have better numbers than him? 

The numbers will still be the most legitimate comparison.. so I believe he is better than Lillard.

Lillard having better players around him means he isn't relied upon for offense as much. When you have worse players around you, your stats go up.

The question you should ask yourself is could Thomas generate the same stats playing for Portland instead? 

[Pinoy Sakuragi]

Sept 25, 2014 21:23:38 GMT -5 Tom Izzo said:

Sept 25, 2014 20:37:35 GMT -5 Pinoy Sakuragi said:

Lillard shot 15.9 attempts, Thomas has 15.2.. Lillard played 35.8 mins, Thomas played 34.7 minutes..

Lillard is shooting more and he is playing more than Thomas... and you even said, and I agree, that Lillard has a better players around him so why does Thomas have better numbers than him? 

The numbers will still be the most legitimate comparison.. so I believe he is better than Lillard.

Lillard having better players around him means he isn't relied upon for offense as much. When you have worse players around you, your stats go up.

The question you should ask yourself is could Thomas generate the same stats playing for Portland instead? 

lillard is shooting more than Thomas so he is being relied more than Thomas. He is even playing more than Thomas and still Thomas is putting up better numbers.

then ask yourself too if Lillard can put the the numbers Thomas did if he is playing for tHe Kings?

[Coach Hines]

Sept 25, 2014 21:23:38 GMT -5 Tom Izzo said:

Sept 25, 2014 20:37:35 GMT -5 Pinoy Sakuragi said:

Lillard shot 15.9 attempts, Thomas has 15.2.. Lillard played 35.8 mins, Thomas played 34.7 minutes..

Lillard is shooting more and he is playing more than Thomas... and you even said, and I agree, that Lillard has a better players around him so why does Thomas have better numbers than him? 

The numbers will still be the most legitimate comparison.. so I believe he is better than Lillard.

Lillard having better players around him means he isn't relied upon for offense as much. When you have worse players around you, your stats go up.

The question you should ask yourself is could Thomas generate the same stats playing for Portland instead? 

put it in better words than i could have. spot on

[Clyde Drexler]

Can't wait to see what Thomas does in a Sun's backcourt of Bledsoe/Dragic/Thomas/Ennis...

[Josh Barber]

Thomas is gonna be interesting coming off the bench this year. He's definitely a volume shooter, I'm not sure how his defense and playmaking is going to translate into a real offense, though