Qualifying Offers, UFA, Sign and Trades, Extensions

[Charles Barkley]

This is something to think about going forward, it could completely change the way things are done, and it would make it much more real.

Example: Kevin Love comes out (via his PA) and says, "I'm not staying in Minny, I demand a trade." That stuff would be based on real life. More on this at the end, don't know why I started off with that, would def lose points if this were a college essay.

The way our rookie scale works is different than the RL scale, we use 100% of the salary, I think, and normal rookies sign for 120% of the scale. The first and second years are guaranteed, the 3rd and 4th years are team options, just like in real life. 

The 5th year is when things change for rookies, that 5th year is different. That fifth year we have is the qualifying offer. In the NBA, the team extends the offer, the player accepts the offer, and then becomes an unrestricted free agent (UFA) in the 6th year in the league, just like how it is now. However, the player agent could have his player not agree to the qualifying offer (because the player can get more money with his team) and become a restricted free agent. (I am probably missing something on this, because it doesn't make sense that the player can become a UFA but always ends up as a RFA, so I'm off on this here, not really the best at this, but you guys get the idea hopefully).

And then we have the case of offer sheets, teams can offer players money, and the other teams can decide if they want to match. But the player has to sign the offer sheet he feels best, and then the team decides if they want to match.

This occurred with Parson's this year, they didn't extend the qualifying offer, and he became a RFA, rather than having him on a super cheap deal. (Not completely sure this is accurate).

I think this would be a very cool element to add. Players signing with teams, teams having to decide if they want to match.

And then we have sign and trades with this. Qualifying offers, offer sheets, RFA, all bring in new, exciting elements to the game.

Also, we have extensions. Some GMs could offer extensions to players in season and see if they would sign them, there would obviously need to be rules about this, such as: a team can only try to extend one player per season and negotiations can last no longer than 3 RL weeks. 

You could also have the element of trading superstars who don't want to be there, and having them sign an extension with the new team as they are traded. This is the "Kevin Love" case. I believe I would have gotten more for Love if he would have been able to sign an extension with the team I was trading with. I'm not mad or bitter, I just think that it would be really fucking cool and realistic if this could happen.

All of this adds real life elements to our league. But it requires more work for the PA and the commissioner. The Secret Council of Elders would have a bigger work load. 

But this would be really fucking cool. 

[Tom Izzo]

This has been done in other leagues - extensions and qualifying offers and RFA. I've been apart of several leagues like that before.

Honestly, you guys hate it when I say this, but we can't be realistic in everything. Sometimes the simplest way to do things is the best. And I think the system we have now works well with the bird rights. Perhaps we could make an exception for bird rights for players on their rookie deals - where you don't have to own that player for 3 seasons, but he simply just has to still be on his rookie contract and you have his bird rights, making it easier to retain young players you've traded for.

However, when you start to get into extensions and qualifying offers and all of that, it can get complicated quickly. It's easier the way we have it, works well, and works for the simulation league.

Also, TC members can be biased and miss the mark on negotiations or truly representing a player.

"Kobe opts out with your team, sorry."

"What! NO! This is bullshit! Kobe would never opt out of this, why do you think that? My team is so close to winning the title!"

It just complicates things. I'm a fan of keeping this simple and efficient, especially when they work.

But like I said, I'd be in favor of a team obtaining birds rights for any player on their rookie contract no matter how long they've been with that team.

[Charles Barkley]

Jul 24, 2014 17:12:39 GMT -5 Tom Izzo said:

This has been done in other leagues - extensions and qualifying offers and RFA. I've been apart of several leagues like that before.

Honestly, you guys hate it when I say this, but we can't be realistic in everything. Sometimes the simplest way to do things is the best. And I think the system we have now works well with the bird rights. Perhaps we could make an exception for bird rights for players on their rookie deals - where you don't have to own that player for 3 seasons, but he simply just has to still be on his rookie contract and you have his bird rights, making it easier to retain young players you've traded for.

However, when you start to get into extensions and qualifying offers and all of that, it can get complicated quickly. It's easier the way we have it, works well, and works for the simulation league.

Also, TC members can be biased and miss the mark on negotiations or truly representing a player.

"Kobe opts out with your team, sorry."

"What! NO! This is bullshit! Kobe would never opt out of this, why do you think that? My team is so close to winning the title!"

It just complicates things. I'm a fan of keeping this simple and efficient, especially when they work.

But like I said, I'd be in favor of a team obtaining birds rights for any player on their rookie contract no matter how long they've been with that team.

We already have PA deciding to opt in or opt out on player options. They do a really good job of making it realistic. I was just thinking of how cool it would be to have offer sheets and signing rookies to extensions. And possibly trading a player and then them signing an extension. 

I was just bringing it up as something to discuss and think about. Just kind of brain storm and spit ball it all out. Think tank it.

But it is cool you have experience in league like that, how exactly did it work, if you don't mind me asking?

[Tom Izzo]

The league didn't last long, if I remember correctly. Did the original D5 have contract extensions? I can't remember which one it was I was involved in.

Any way, it works well enough, it just further complicates things in my eyes. It makes more work, too. It can be realistic, though.

Although, implementing contract extensions could be fairly easy and interesting. I think that part of it we could do without too much hassle.

For the rookies, I still think when they get traded, their bird rights should get traded with them. We don't have to deal with RFA/UFA, but instead you have any player's bird rights you've traded for.

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 24, 2014 17:29:15 GMT -5 Tom Izzo said:

For the rookies, I still think when they get traded, their bird rights should get traded with them. We don't have to deal with RFA/UFA, but instead you have any player's bird rights you've traded for.

I like this, because it is simple and realistic.