Joe Johnson (Revision)

[JR Wiles]

Jul 24, 2014 10:02:15 GMT -5 Vlade Divac said:

Lol, I agree about Meeks (please don't make me say it again Barkley ) and there is a BIG difference between an 80 and a 74. I am not even going to go into the stats because I've addressed every possible issue and you would have read if already if you really cared. As far as the rating, I am not going to "cry" to Walt. I am in a much better mood this morning but really that's a personal attack Barkley. Comments like that constitute the number one reason why I quit the SWC/RC Committee and what upset me yesterday. Do you really think I would cheat? You, Jeremiah, and JR all implied it. Does arguing for a position mean I would be unbias in a position of power? If you want the truth, I've combated cheating in a Truman-like manner. Quite frankly my dear Chuck, I don't give a damn what Johnson is rated. Rather, I took a shot and obviously no one agrees with me but Blake, Barber, and maybe Stockton. I can live with being wrong but accusations/implications of cheating are not something I can live with.

I dont think I implied that you were a cheater.. I might have who knows with all the arguing you like to make us all do.  LOL.  But I do agree you will argue and cry until you get your way.  I think your a great GM..but sometimes you gotta give in and what bothers me most about you is that you do and I swear to it...you do suck up to certain gms.  Yes maybe you agree with them at times, but its just some of the things you say or suggest.  Anyways like I said I like you and Im glad your a gm in the two leagues I am in..but I hate fighting with you and a lot of the times its because you edge it on and dont stop.  Maybe thats just you.  I guess Im just a more laid back kind of guy, but I would like for you to understand I dont think your a cheater...I just think you talk to damn much and you suck up to people for no reason and you never stop arguing even if you are wrong.

[Charles Barkley]

Jul 24, 2014 10:02:15 GMT -5 Vlade Divac said:

Lol, I agree about Meeks (please don't make me say it again Barkley ) and there is a BIG difference between an 80 and a 74. I am not even going to go into the stats because I've addressed every possible issue and you would have read if already if you really cared. As far as the rating, I am not going to "cry" to Walt. I am in a much better mood this morning but really that's a personal attack Barkley. Comments like that constitute the number one reason why I quit the SWC/RC Committee and what upset me yesterday. Do you really think I would cheat? You, Jeremiah, and JR all implied it. Does arguing for a position mean I would be unbias in a position of power? If you want the truth, I've combated cheating in a Truman-like manner. Quite frankly my dear Chuck, I don't give a damn what Johnson is rated. Rather, I took a shot and obviously no one agrees with me but Blake, Barber, and maybe Stockton. I can live with being wrong but accusations/implications of cheating are not something I can live with.

What I will say that sounds like a 4th grader is: you started it. Lol.

Seriously though, I never said you cheated or made those accusations. I don't care who is on the SWC, because I trust Ian, I trust Josh, Walt, Glenn, Alex and whomever.

I trust every GM in the league. Sure we low-ball each other and get one over in a trade and argue about ratings and players, but thats what makes it fun.

Have thick skin, Jeremiah, by my personal accounts, is an asshole a lot. You kind of get used to it. Just keep your chin up.

Anything I said that affected you personally, I sincerely apologize for. I was just trying to demonstrate that an 83 for Joe, isn't bad. This sim league is what it is. WE TRY TO RIP EACH OTHER OFF, BACK STAB, AND CHEAT EACH OTHER ON TRADES, ARGUE AND DISAGREE ON PLAYERS, WHILE TRYING TO HAVE AS GOOD AS OF A RELATIONSHIP AS POSSIBLE.

It is what makes this all fun. A topic comes up, someone presents it, defends it, we attack it, others defend it, its how it is. And, in my personal opinion, its some damn good fun.

[Vlade Divac]

Jul 24, 2014 10:25:03 GMT -5 JR Wiles said:

Jul 24, 2014 10:02:15 GMT -5 Vlade Divac said:

Lol, I agree about Meeks (please don't make me say it again Barkley ) and there is a BIG difference between an 80 and a 74. I am not even going to go into the stats because I've addressed every possible issue and you would have read if already if you really cared. As far as the rating, I am not going to "cry" to Walt. I am in a much better mood this morning but really that's a personal attack Barkley. Comments like that constitute the number one reason why I quit the SWC/RC Committee and what upset me yesterday. Do you really think I would cheat? You, Jeremiah, and JR all implied it. Does arguing for a position mean I would be unbias in a position of power? If you want the truth, I've combated cheating in a Truman-like manner. Quite frankly my dear Chuck, I don't give a damn what Johnson is rated. Rather, I took a shot and obviously no one agrees with me but Blake, Barber, and maybe Stockton. I can live with being wrong but accusations/implications of cheating are not something I can live with.

I dont think I implied that you were a cheater.. I might have who knows with all the arguing you like to make us all do.  LOL.  But I do agree you will argue and cry until you get your way.  I think your a great GM..but sometimes you gotta give in and what bothers me most about you is that you do and I swear to it...you do suck up to certain gms.  Yes maybe you agree with them at times, but its just some of the things you say or suggest.  Anyways like I said I like you and Im glad your a gm in the two leagues I am in..but I hate fighting with you and a lot of the times its because you edge it on and dont stop.  Maybe thats just you.  I guess Im just a more laid back kind of guy, but I would like for you to understand I dont think your a cheater...I just think you talk to damn much and you suck up to people for no reason and you never stop arguing even if you are wrong.

Walt and I go way in these leagues (and fantasy football) and that's one reason I quit the RC/SWC. While I am not sure you understand how much better it could make the league if implemented right, I did agree that it needs to be stocked with different opinions and unbias people. If you three, Hill, Barkley, and Wiles, and other feels I am bias, even though I am not, then it's better for the league if we go another direction on the committee. Honestly, I think Barkley might be a good member of it.

No matter whose on the committee, if it works then Ian's/Barber's lives will be so much easier which will keep the leagues going that much longer. On top of that, our ratings will be CURRENT! :0 From our discussions, I think we need to define exactly how we are doing player ratings. For example, do we take into account past performances or do we simply update the ratings as the statics show? I don't think the latter option would or will be a possibility without the committee. I am kind of ranting now but I understand your point.

PS. I do talk too much!

[Vlade Divac]

Jul 24, 2014 11:25:34 GMT -5 Charles Barkley said:

Jul 24, 2014 10:02:15 GMT -5 Vlade Divac said:

Lol, I agree about Meeks (please don't make me say it again Barkley ) and there is a BIG difference between an 80 and a 74. I am not even going to go into the stats because I've addressed every possible issue and you would have read if already if you really cared. As far as the rating, I am not going to "cry" to Walt. I am in a much better mood this morning but really that's a personal attack Barkley. Comments like that constitute the number one reason why I quit the SWC/RC Committee and what upset me yesterday. Do you really think I would cheat? You, Jeremiah, and JR all implied it. Does arguing for a position mean I would be unbias in a position of power? If you want the truth, I've combated cheating in a Truman-like manner. Quite frankly my dear Chuck, I don't give a damn what Johnson is rated. Rather, I took a shot and obviously no one agrees with me but Blake, Barber, and maybe Stockton. I can live with being wrong but accusations/implications of cheating are not something I can live with.

What I will say that sounds like a 4th grader is: you started it. Lol.

Seriously though, I never said you cheated or made those accusations. I don't care who is on the SWC, because I trust Ian, I trust Josh, Walt, Glenn, Alex and whomever.

I trust every GM in the league. Sure we low-ball each other and get one over in a trade and argue about ratings and players, but thats what makes it fun.

Have thick skin, Jeremiah, by my personal accounts, is an asshole a lot. You kind of get used to it. Just keep your chin up.

Anything I said that affected you personally, I sincerely apologize for. I was just trying to demonstrate that an 83 for Joe, isn't bad. This sim league is what it is. WE TRY TO RIP EACH OTHER OFF, BACK STAB, AND CHEAT EACH OTHER ON TRADES, ARGUE AND DISAGREE ON PLAYERS, WHILE TRYING TO HAVE AS GOOD AS OF A RELATIONSHIP AS POSSIBLE.

It is what makes this all fun. A topic comes up, someone presents it, defends it, we attack it, others defend it, its how it is. And, in my personal opinion, its some damn good fun.

Yeah I agree lol, this whole personal attack thing is stupid and lets just drop it. As for Johnson, I don't think anymore needs to be said but just know I only asked for the rating increase but I didn't remember us dropping him when I traded for him and then realized that the playoffs were not taken into account. By my eye test, he really played well and looked good doing it in the playoffs.

[JR Wiles]

Jul 24, 2014 11:37:38 GMT -5 Vlade Divac said:

Jul 24, 2014 10:25:03 GMT -5 JR Wiles said:

I dont think I implied that you were a cheater.. I might have who knows with all the arguing you like to make us all do.  LOL.  But I do agree you will argue and cry until you get your way.  I think your a great GM..but sometimes you gotta give in and what bothers me most about you is that you do and I swear to it...you do suck up to certain gms.  Yes maybe you agree with them at times, but its just some of the things you say or suggest.  Anyways like I said I like you and Im glad your a gm in the two leagues I am in..but I hate fighting with you and a lot of the times its because you edge it on and dont stop.  Maybe thats just you.  I guess Im just a more laid back kind of guy, but I would like for you to understand I dont think your a cheater...I just think you talk to damn much and you suck up to people for no reason and you never stop arguing even if you are wrong.

Walt and I go way in these leagues (and fantasy football) and that's one reason I quit the RC/SWC. While I am not sure you understand how much better it could make the league if implemented right, I did agree that it needs to be stocked with different opinions and unbias people. If you three, Hill, Barkley, and Wiles, and other feels I am bias, even though I am not, then it's better for the league if we go another direction on the committee. Honestly, I think Barkley might be a good member of it.

No matter whose on the committee, if it works then Ian's/Barber's lives will be so much easier which will keep the leagues going that much longer. On top of that, our ratings will be CURRENT! :0 From our discussions, I think we need to define exactly how we are doing player ratings. For example, do we take into account past performances or do we simply update the ratings as the statics show? I don't think the latter option would or will be a possibility without the committee. I am kind of ranting now but I understand your point.

PS. I do talk too much!

I agree and after the issue I had with the time of rating changes in D5, I am a full supporter of the SWC.  I also agree it will be great for the league and great for Ian and Josh and making their lives that much easier.  I dont know what kind of system will/is put in place, but I hope we can agree on it as a league.  I do think we need to edit this per season because we should go by a players previous season.  We should though somehow come up with a system to increase those players that have above average pasts.(All-Star, All-NBA Teams, Rookie of the Year, etc.)  And we do need to come up with a way to decide what vets are DONE...and what vets still have game to them.  One other thing I think we really need to think about and work on is injuries and ratings that go with those and when players come back from them and how long we give them before and after before adjusting or ratings them to give them an updated fair rating score.  I believe in Ian and Josh and Walt and those that are board members and I appreciate all the time and effort each of them put into both leagues.  I just think that we as a league need to vote on some things as well even if you guys do come up with things that work.  I know polls are not used very much in our leagues, but maybe on certain issues and thoughts we should as a league decide on things that way.  We can argue and talk and talk and talk about decisions but a click of a button goes a long way.  Anyways keep up the good work guys and I am just glad to be part of two great leagues and Im excited that I get to be part of such a great thing with some really cool, great minded basketball fans.

[Charles Barkley]

Jul 24, 2014 11:37:38 GMT -5 Vlade Divac said:

Jul 24, 2014 10:25:03 GMT -5 JR Wiles said:

I dont think I implied that you were a cheater.. I might have who knows with all the arguing you like to make us all do.  LOL.  But I do agree you will argue and cry until you get your way.  I think your a great GM..but sometimes you gotta give in and what bothers me most about you is that you do and I swear to it...you do suck up to certain gms.  Yes maybe you agree with them at times, but its just some of the things you say or suggest.  Anyways like I said I like you and Im glad your a gm in the two leagues I am in..but I hate fighting with you and a lot of the times its because you edge it on and dont stop.  Maybe thats just you.  I guess Im just a more laid back kind of guy, but I would like for you to understand I dont think your a cheater...I just think you talk to damn much and you suck up to people for no reason and you never stop arguing even if you are wrong.

Walt and I go way in these leagues (and fantasy football) and that's one reason I quit the RC/SWC. While I am not sure you understand how much better it could make the league if implemented right, I did agree that it needs to be stocked with different opinions and unbias people. If you three, Hill, Barkley, and Wiles, and other feels I am bias, even though I am not, then it's better for the league if we go another direction on the committee. Honestly, I think Barkley might be a good member of it.

No matter whose on the committee, if it works then Ian's/Barber's lives will be so much easier which will keep the leagues going that much longer. On top of that, our ratings will be CURRENT! :0 From our discussions, I think we need to define exactly how we are doing player ratings. For example, do we take into account past performances or do we simply update the ratings as the statics show? I don't think the latter option would or will be a possibility without the committee. I am kind of ranting now but I understand your point.

PS. I do talk too much!

Lol, I just told you I don't think you're biased. I don't think anyone in this league is biased or whatever. Of course we want our own players raised if we want to win, and not raised if we want to tank. 

Just the way it is, its called being a good GM. I think everyone in the league is solid and I hope we all stick around for a long time because we all have different opinions and while it may cause us to butt heads like this at times, it makes the league better, more stats are show, more arguments made, more thinking, more action. Rather than us sitting on our computers looking at porn or reading everything on reddit. We participated in a productive discussion, albeit an ugly one. It still was a solid match of wits.

We are all good GMs. I respect everyone. This is fun. I like to argue. I prefer brunettes, but I'll argue that Kate Upton is hotter than Olivia Munn even though I don't believe it true, its fun for me.

EDIT: Didn't know I wasn't quoted in this, but whatever. Quit watching porn. Argue about what Robin Lopez should be rated!!!

[Charles Barkley]

Jul 24, 2014 11:40:08 GMT -5 Vlade Divac said:

Jul 24, 2014 11:25:34 GMT -5 Charles Barkley said:

What I will say that sounds like a 4th grader is: you started it. Lol.

Seriously though, I never said you cheated or made those accusations. I don't care who is on the SWC, because I trust Ian, I trust Josh, Walt, Glenn, Alex and whomever.

I trust every GM in the league. Sure we low-ball each other and get one over in a trade and argue about ratings and players, but thats what makes it fun.

Have thick skin, Jeremiah, by my personal accounts, is an asshole a lot. You kind of get used to it. Just keep your chin up.

Anything I said that affected you personally, I sincerely apologize for. I was just trying to demonstrate that an 83 for Joe, isn't bad. This sim league is what it is. WE TRY TO RIP EACH OTHER OFF, BACK STAB, AND CHEAT EACH OTHER ON TRADES, ARGUE AND DISAGREE ON PLAYERS, WHILE TRYING TO HAVE AS GOOD AS OF A RELATIONSHIP AS POSSIBLE.

It is what makes this all fun. A topic comes up, someone presents it, defends it, we attack it, others defend it, its how it is. And, in my personal opinion, its some damn good fun.

Yeah I agree lol, this whole personal attack thing is stupid and lets just drop it. As for Johnson, I don't think anymore needs to be said but just know I only asked for the rating increase but I didn't remember us dropping him when I traded for him and then realized that the playoffs were not taken into account. By my eye test, he really played well and looked good doing it in the playoffs.

I honestly watched more summer league than I have the regular season. I hated basketball because LeBron left and I was a die hard fan before. Now I just like basketball. I might like Cleveland again if they get Love and magically trade Kyire for the Rubes but whatever. 

So when it comes down to it, I have no eye-test. I watch a lot of college ball. I see the ESPN highlights. I need to watch more games though. And I will. But right now, I have no eye-test. I'm strictly stat based. And if Barbs says the dude was the best player on the court and deserves an 87, I respect that. 

[Vlade Divac]

Jul 24, 2014 12:30:15 GMT -5 Charles Barkley said:

Jul 24, 2014 11:40:08 GMT -5 Vlade Divac said:

Yeah I agree lol, this whole personal attack thing is stupid and lets just drop it. As for Johnson, I don't think anymore needs to be said but just know I only asked for the rating increase but I didn't remember us dropping him when I traded for him and then realized that the playoffs were not taken into account. By my eye test, he really played well and looked good doing it in the playoffs.

I honestly watched more summer league than I have the regular season. I hated basketball because LeBron left and I was a die hard fan before. Now I just like basketball. I might like Cleveland again if they get Love and magically trade Kyire for the Rubes but whatever. 

So when it comes down to it, I have no eye-test. I watch a lot of college ball. I see the ESPN highlights. I need to watch more games though. And I will. But right now, I have no eye-test. I'm strictly stat based. And if Barbs says the dude was the best player on the court and deserves an 87, I respect that. 

I've never been a big Deron Williams fan but Joe looked like the best player on the Nets to me. I think I watched maybe 3 of the 5 games?

I don't watch a ton of regular season but do watch the playoffs religiously. The way I watch really hurts me when talking about players on crappy teams.